Friday, December 23, 2016

[MFP] Re: Most Influential Blog of 2016

 

Dear All,

 

You may want to look at the video of the discussion of the MyBucks/OI tie up in the debate at the European Microfinance Forum – it sheds quite a lot of light on the issue and thinking underlying the take-over. You can access it through the MicroSave LinkedIn Group: https://www.linkedin.com/groups/2799066/2799066-6215577688447471618 or direct on YouTube.

 

Best regards

 

Graham

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Thursday, December 22, 2016

[MFP] Most Influential Blog of 2016

 

Hello all,

Last June, I wrote a blog on the Opportunity sell out to MyBucks.  It was one of the most-read blogs of the year and has been included in the contest for "most influential blog of 2016" by NextBillion.net.

If you didn't read the blog, I'd encourage you to do so (it is the June entry).  And please look at the others and cast a vote at the bottom of this page.  If my post does win, that would mean even more people will get informed about this controversial and potentially dangerous situation.


Chuck Waterfield

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Monday, December 12, 2016

Re: [MFP] BRAC featured in the Guardian

 

Not sure I agree, or maybe I was not clear in what I said, possibly because of a bad internet connection I rushed my response a little (you'll see I lost a sentence or two when I uploaded it to the web).

 

The livelihoods of the clients immediately supported appear to be improved, I get that. But surely we are looking at the NET impact in the community here? Otherwise, aren't we just improving the lives of some (the clients), which leads to much celebration (as in The Guardian), while the fact that the program might also be degrading the lives of others equally poor (the non-clients working in the same sector) gets lost, partly because no-one knows or cares about this negative externality (researchers and microcredit advocates are not that interested to explore it for obvious reasons). I can't believe the objectives of the BRAC program really were all about improving JUST the lives of the clients, and the issue of whether or not there was a negative impact on others in the community was of no importance – to me that would seem like a very bad program design indeed.

 

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Re: [MFP] BRAC featured in the Guardian

 

Thanks everyone for the civil, insightful debate!  

I have actually interviewed BRAC loan officers, execs and even clients in a several countries and have found their initiatives and efforts to go beyond microcredit, and actually establish conditions whereby new industries could take root and flourish; where before there was nothing for the poor.  For example, BRAC has a seed inputs,  animal husbandry and other agricultural programmes which I saw in E. Africa which is very impressive.  And, I am Wisconsin ('The Dairy State) bred and spent plenty of time on my grandparents' dairy farm.

Admittedly, I have not studied the impact of these programmes and I may also have blinders on because or me, an entity that recognizes the importance of legal aid and human rights advocacy for the poor is a rare flower.  And, BRAC is the only large micro financial institution I have encountered providing legal aid on this scale in a systemic manner. 

I am open to reading what anyone publishes about BRAC, but for me they are a breed apart.  Discussion over (just kidding).

Jami 

On Mon, Dec 12, 2016 at 1:59 PM, Narasimhan srinivasan shrin54@yahoo.co.in [MicrofinancePractice] <MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
 

BRAC TUP is a well designed program that achieves its objectives.  Variants of the program are implemented in India too with good results.  For non-bankable poor, such programs are necessary and it is good that the program is getting some attention.  Milford has pointed out that the results might not be great and impact not really good enough.  Despite what Milford says, I would tend to think that the users of the program have better insights in to what it does; academics and practitioners have reasons to glorify or berate programs and ride on the fame.  If the households improved their livelihoods and are better off, then the program objectives stand achieved.  The 'best outcomes' that we have in mind should not become the enemy of the 'good' ones that help poor households.

Best regards
Srinivasan
On 11-Dec-2016, at 11:22 PM, 'Malcolm Harper' malcolm.harper@btinternet.com [MicrofinancePractice] wrote:

 

Thank you Jami, the BRAC TUP is a great programme, it's good that The Guardian is telling the world about it. And even better (and perhaps a bit unusual) that some major international donors are supporting it in spite of the fact that they had nothing to do with its original development. Malcolm
 
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Dear ListServ members,
 
It has been awhile since the sector has received some positive media attention.  Thus, I thought I would share the article:
 
 
 
Hope all is well in your respective corners of the world.
 
Best regards,
 
 
Jami Solli



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Re: [MFP] BRAC featured in the Guardian

 

BRAC TUP is a well designed program that achieves its objectives.  Variants of the program are implemented in India too with good results.  For non-bankable poor, such programs are necessary and it is good that the program is getting some attention.  Milford has pointed out that the results might not be great and impact not really good enough.  Despite what Milford says, I would tend to think that the users of the program have better insights in to what it does; academics and practitioners have reasons to glorify or berate programs and ride on the fame.  If the households improved their livelihoods and are better off, then the program objectives stand achieved.  The 'best outcomes' that we have in mind should not become the enemy of the 'good' ones that help poor households.

Best regards
Srinivasan
On 11-Dec-2016, at 11:22 PM, 'Malcolm Harper' malcolm.harper@btinternet.com [MicrofinancePractice] wrote:

 

Thank you Jami, the BRAC TUP is a great programme, it's good that The Guardian is telling the world about it. And even better (and perhaps a bit unusual) that some major international donors are supporting it in spite of the fact that they had nothing to do with its original development. Malcolm
 
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Dear ListServ members,
 
It has been awhile since the sector has received some positive media attention.  Thus, I thought I would share the article:
 
 
 
Hope all is well in your respective corners of the world.
 
Best regards,
 
 
Jami Solli


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Re: [MFP] Re: BRAC featured in the Guardian

 

Thank you Milford, your scepticism remains as refreshing as ever; please keep it coming, in as many words as you find necessary. Malcolm
 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2016 11:38 AM
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Hi Jami
 
I'm not as sure as Malcolm, or the LSE people, that the BRAC-TUP program has any real net positive impact, so I'd be really careful in singing its praises. As we know, myths and legends about positive impact once spun have a habit of hanging around for a very long time no matter how many times they are shown to be false!
 
I have been looking at these BRAC type of programs as part of an edited book project on microcredit and financial inclusion I'm in the process of finalising for UNCTAD, and almost all of the nice things said about them simply do not add up when you look closer. Providing the poor with additional assets free of charge must have an immediate positive impact of sorts on the poverty of clients. So nothing really surprising about this, just as paying low-income staff in the USA higher wages, for instance, would help these individuals to lift themselves out of poverty, such as through supplying themselves with more milk or meat or whatever. Giving a bundle of assets to the poor seems fine, but are we really saying anything much about addressing global poverty? Unless its part of a major redistribution of wealth, I don't think so.
 
For me what is more important are the longer-term petty entrepreneurship-driven benefits claimed for the wider community, which I think are entirely moot. Above all, the crucial issue of displacement seems to be ignored in so many of them – instead there seems to be a belief in Says Law, that any number of poor people driven to selling goods in their community to escape poverty will nevertheless always find sufficient buyers at the prevailing (pre-intervention) market price, so that they do OK and non-clients will never be made worse off. Says Law is, of course, a famous fallacy. So far as I can see, the LSE evaluators do not centrally factor in the impact on local prices or reduced turnover on non-clients struggling to work in the same sector as the program clients, which might mean (and usually does elsewhere…..) that these non-clients are made worse off, which means that overall the NET impact of the scheme at the community level might be negative. But, also interestingly, the Morduch paper referred to in the Guardian article does use an analysis based on the recognition of there being serious negative displacement impacts  - the first I have seen I think from mainstream researchers-cum-microcredit advocates – and, as a result, they go on to claim that there is really no net impact from the scheme.
 
We really must be very careful when advocating for the flooding of poor communities with an additional supply of simple items and services, but where there is no commensurate increase in local purchasing power, because this form of artificially stimulated hyper-competition can so often makes things much worse for the poor. Such hyper-competitive local economies are emerging everywhere around the developing world but, as Mike Davis once said, they represent not a route out of poverty so much as simply the ugliest manifestation of global poverty. Check out my paper here on why a massive microcredit-supported expansion in petty entrepreneurial activity in South Africa after 1994 helped to create not a miracle for the very poorest, but a disaster:
 
 
Cheers
 
Milford
 
 

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[MFP] Re: BRAC featured in the Guardian

 

Hi Jami
 
I'm not as sure as Malcolm, or the LSE people, that the BRAC-TUP program has any real net positive impact, so I'd be really careful in singing its praises. As we know, myths and legends about positive impact once spun have a habit of hanging around for a very long time no matter how many times they are shown to be false!
 
I have been looking at these BRAC type of programs as part of an edited book project on microcredit and financial inclusion I'm in the process of finalising for UNCTAD, and almost all of the nice things said about them simply do not add up when you look closer. Providing the poor with additional assets free of charge must have an immediate positive impact of sorts on the poverty of clients. So nothing really surprising about this, just as paying low-income staff in the USA higher wages, for instance, would help these individuals to lift themselves out of poverty, such as through supplying themselves with more milk or meat or whatever. Giving a bundle of assets to the poor seems fine, but are we really saying anything much about addressing global poverty? Unless its part of a major redistribution of wealth, I don't think so. 
 
For me what is more important are the longer-term petty entrepreneurship-driven benefits claimed for the wider community, which I think are entirely moot. Above all, the crucial issue of displacement seems to be ignored in so many of them – instead there seems to be a belief in Says Law, that any number of poor people driven to selling goods in their community to escape poverty will nevertheless always find sufficient buyers at the prevailing (pre-intervention) market price, so that they do OK and non-clients will never be made worse off. Says Law is, of course, a famous fallacy. So far as I can see, the LSE evaluators do not centrally factor in the impact on local prices or reduced turnover on non-clients struggling to work in the same sector as the program clients, which might mean (and usually does elsewhere…..) that these non-clients are made worse off, which means that overall the NET impact of the scheme at the community level might be negative. But, also interestingly, the Morduch paper referred to in the Guardian article does use an analysis based on the recognition of there being serious negative displacement impacts  - the first I have seen I think from mainstream researchers-cum-microcredit advocates – and, as a result, they go on to claim that there is really no net impact from the scheme.
 
We really must be very careful when advocating for the flooding of poor communities with an additional supply of simple items and services, but where there is no commensurate increase in local purchasing power, because this form of artificially stimulated hyper-competition can so often makes things much worse for the poor. Such hyper-competitive local economies are emerging everywhere around the developing world but, as Mike Davis once said, they represent not a route out of poverty so much as simply the ugliest manifestation of global poverty. Check out my paper here on why a massive microcredit-supported expansion in petty entrepreneurial activity in South Africa after 1994 helped to create not a miracle for the very poorest, but a disaster:
 
 
Cheers
 
Milford
 
 

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