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A Collection of Discussions Carried out on Microfinance Practice eGroup, popularly known as MFP.
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I thought todays xkcd was particularly apt:
http://xkcd.com/1667/
thanks for all the years chuck.
On Thu, Apr 14, 2016 at 12:10 AM, Narasimhan srinivasan
shrin54@yahoo.co.in [MicrofinancePractice]
<MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
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> Chuck
> Microfin had been the software of choice especially for planning and
> projections for a long time - about two decades?. Many leading MFIs started
> off with Microfin and benefited considerably through your training courses.
> I have been surprised at most unlikely locations where a version of Microfin
> turned up as the underlying planning tool. As Microfin takes its last
> steps, many in the sector are thankful for its contributions in their
> formative years.
> You, Chuck, deserve special thanks. I hope that you are coming up with
> something new that is as impactful as Microfin and MFT.
>
> Best regards
> Srinivasan
> On 14-Apr-2016, at 2:56 AM, Chuck Waterfield chuck.waterfield@gmail.com
> [MicrofinancePractice] wrote:
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> All,
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>
> As of this week the website www.microfin.com is no longer used for the
> Microfin software. As clearly indicated on the website for the past four
> years, I no longer provide technical support for the software, and now I no
> longer support the website either.
>
> The software (unchanged over the past five years) is still available and can
> still be used, though as Microsoft changes operating systems and changes
> versions of Excel, it is by no means guaranteed to work on all systems.
>
> The link below will download the latest (and final) version of Microfin,
> version 4.14. Please keep this email and link for your records if you have
> any interest.
>
> https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/2371450/Microfin%204.14.zip
>
> In case you're curious, Microfin was developed in January 1997, nineteen
> years ago. The website was active for nearly that entire time. That's a
> pretty good run for a software program that was always 100% free for that
> entire duration. And it still is available and still is free… and still in
> use by a good number of people. It just doesn't have a website. :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Chuck Waterfield
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Chuck
All,
As of this week the website www.microfin.com is no longer used for the Microfin software. As clearly indicated on the website for the past four years, I no longer provide technical support for the software, and now I no longer support the website either.The software (unchanged over the past five years) is still available and can still be used, though as Microsoft changes operating systems and changes versions of Excel, it is by no means guaranteed to work on all systems.The link below will download the latest (and final) version of Microfin, version 4.14. Please keep this email and link for your records if you have any interest.In case you're curious, Microfin was developed in January 1997, nineteen years ago. The website was active for nearly that entire time. That's a pretty good run for a software program that was always 100% free for that entire duration. And it still is available and still is free… and still in use by a good number of people. It just doesn't have a website. :)Regards,Chuck Waterfield
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All,
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Colleagues,
On Tuesday, the Center for Financial Inclusion at Accion released new research funded by JPMorgan Chase & Co. on the current state of financial-capability building – that is, how providers are helping to prepare and support customers to make sound financial decisions. The study focuses particularly on developments in India and Mexico. For the press release, please go to the CFI site here; for the fully body of study, please go here.
Regards,
Bruce
Bruce J. MacDonald | VP, Communications & Operations | Center for Financial Inclusion at Accion | 10 Fawcett Street, Suite 204, Cambridge, MA 02138 USA
Tel +1 617.625.7080, x.1245 | Fax +1 617.625.7020 | bmacdonald@accion.org | www.centerforfinancialinclusion.org | skype: bruce.j.macdonald
Investing in individuals. Improving our world.
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Sorry, poaching.
From: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 11:38 AM
To: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MFP] Call for Expressions of Interest - Innovations for Poverty Action
I have heard about staff pouching as a problem among many African MFIs. A symptom of too few qualitied staff in the country, so we should not expect otherwise. Dick
From: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 11:24 AM
To: MFP
Subject: Re: [MFP] Call for Expressions of Interest - Innovations for Poverty Action
Sadly, none of this should surprise us. It is all the "logical" strategy that can be developed by a person getting average grades in an MBA program from an average MBA school. Let someone else do the costs of screening, then steal their best clients. Low costs, fast profits. Nothing innovative. It's just not the sort of thing microfinance would stoop to do in the olden days.
It may be considered unseemly and distasteful, but it's very profitable. And those making the profit grow the fastest, become the biggest, and then just keep getting bigger. They use their power to then carve out oligopolisitc conditions, and life is easy for them.
The problems for many of us are then:
* How do we compete with them? (We're not coming even close at the present)
* How we avoid the client damage they are doing bleeding over to our client base? (We're not doing this, either)
* How do we avoid getting wrapped up in the negative media publicizing the nasty things they are doing (I'm talking to you, Milford :) )
* At what point do we say "Let's work with some other area of development and move away from this dangerous microfinance stuff"? (If you haven't noticed, the exodus is picking up speed)
Chuck Waterfield
Recent microfinance emigrant
On Apr 8, 2016, at 10:54 AM, 'Meyer, Richard' meyer.19@osu.edu [MicrofinancePractice] <MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
And the words persuade and big enough are the most problematic. Dick
From: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 10:13 AM
To: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MFP] Re: Call for Expressions of Interest - Innovations for Poverty Action
The sting is in the conditional in your last sentence Paul.
From: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 08 April 2016 14:18
To: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MFP] Re: Call for Expressions of Interest - Innovations for Poverty Action
How about that? I just read Jeff's remark that "in Guatemala where Compartamos is now working they are attempting to recruit savings group promoters pay them a lot more and give the ex-promotoras a bonus if they deliver their groups to Compartamos."
I recently ran into a similar phenomenon in Kenya, where Equity Bank is paying some VSLA promoters a reported 100 Kshs - about a buck - for each SG member they bring in to open an account. Kind of flattering to the Savings Groups, to think that the members are experienced and serious and reliable, and will be good bank clients. That's what I would do if I were a banker: look for SG members as clients. They have credit and savings discipline and assets which I might be able to acquire if I can persuade them to take loans that are just big enough.
Paul Rippey
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I have heard about staff pouching as a problem among many African MFIs. A symptom of too few qualitied staff in the country, so we should not expect otherwise. Dick
From: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 11:24 AM
To: MFP
Subject: Re: [MFP] Call for Expressions of Interest - Innovations for Poverty Action
Sadly, none of this should surprise us. It is all the "logical" strategy that can be developed by a person getting average grades in an MBA program from an average MBA school. Let someone else do the costs of screening, then steal their best clients. Low costs, fast profits. Nothing innovative. It's just not the sort of thing microfinance would stoop to do in the olden days.
It may be considered unseemly and distasteful, but it's very profitable. And those making the profit grow the fastest, become the biggest, and then just keep getting bigger. They use their power to then carve out oligopolisitc conditions, and life is easy for them.
The problems for many of us are then:
* How do we compete with them? (We're not coming even close at the present)
* How we avoid the client damage they are doing bleeding over to our client base? (We're not doing this, either)
* How do we avoid getting wrapped up in the negative media publicizing the nasty things they are doing (I'm talking to you, Milford :) )
* At what point do we say "Let's work with some other area of development and move away from this dangerous microfinance stuff"? (If you haven't noticed, the exodus is picking up speed)
Chuck Waterfield
Recent microfinance emigrant
On Apr 8, 2016, at 10:54 AM, 'Meyer, Richard' meyer.19@osu.edu [MicrofinancePractice] <MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com> wrote:
And the words persuade and big enough are the most problematic. Dick
From: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 10:13 AM
To: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MFP] Re: Call for Expressions of Interest - Innovations for Poverty Action
The sting is in the conditional in your last sentence Paul.
From: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 08 April 2016 14:18
To: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MFP] Re: Call for Expressions of Interest - Innovations for Poverty Action
How about that? I just read Jeff's remark that "in Guatemala where Compartamos is now working they are attempting to recruit savings group promoters pay them a lot more and give the ex-promotoras a bonus if they deliver their groups to Compartamos."
I recently ran into a similar phenomenon in Kenya, where Equity Bank is paying some VSLA promoters a reported 100 Kshs - about a buck - for each SG member they bring in to open an account. Kind of flattering to the Savings Groups, to think that the members are experienced and serious and reliable, and will be good bank clients. That's what I would do if I were a banker: look for SG members as clients. They have credit and savings discipline and assets which I might be able to acquire if I can persuade them to take loans that are just big enough.
Paul Rippey
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Sadly, none of this should surprise us. It is all the "logical" strategy that can be developed by a person getting average grades in an MBA program from an average MBA school. Let someone else do the costs of screening, then steal their best clients. Low costs, fast profits. Nothing innovative. It's just not the sort of thing microfinance would stoop to do in the olden days.
On Apr 8, 2016, at 10:54 AM, 'Meyer, Richard' meyer.19@osu.edu [MicrofinancePractice] <MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com> wrote:And the words persuade and big enough are the most problematic. Dick
From: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 8, 2016 10:13 AM
To: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: RE: [MFP] Re: Call for Expressions of Interest - Innovations for Poverty Action
The sting is in the conditional in your last sentence Paul.
From: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: 08 April 2016 14:18
To: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MFP] Re: Call for Expressions of Interest - Innovations for Poverty Action
How about that? I just read Jeff's remark that "in Guatemala where Compartamos is now working they are attempting to recruit savings group promoters pay them a lot more and give the ex-promotoras a bonus if they deliver their groups to Compartamos."
I recently ran into a similar phenomenon in Kenya, where Equity Bank is paying some VSLA promoters a reported 100 Kshs - about a buck - for each SG member they bring in to open an account. Kind of flattering to the Savings Groups, to think that the members are experienced and serious and reliable, and will be good bank clients. That's what I would do if I were a banker: look for SG members as clients. They have credit and savings discipline and assets which I might be able to acquire if I can persuade them to take loans that are just big enough.
Paul Rippey
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Exciting and scary at the same time, when the regulators are still sleeping..
Thanks Paul.
anuj
From: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com [mailto:MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com]
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2016 3:18 PM
To: MicrofinancePractice@yahoogroups.com
Subject: [MFP] Re: Call for Expressions of Interest - Innovations for Poverty Action
How about that? I just read Jeff's remark that "in Guatemala where Compartamos is now working they are attempting to recruit savings group promoters pay them a lot more and give the ex-promotoras a bonus if they deliver their groups to Compartamos."
I recently ran into a similar phenomenon in Kenya, where Equity Bank is paying some VSLA promoters a reported 100 Kshs - about a buck - for each SG member they bring in to open an account. Kind of flattering to the Savings Groups, to think that the members are experienced and serious and reliable, and will be good bank clients. That's what I would do if I were a banker: look for SG members as clients. They have credit and savings discipline and assets which I might be able to acquire if I can persuade them to take loans that are just big enough.
Paul Rippey
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